PUBLIC Forums => Public Forums => Headstamp Submissions => Topic started by: Jason Crafton on February 24, 2004, 11:34:12 AM
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Hello, I need help in identifying this headstamp. It was found on a .410 shotshell, red plastic hull, containing a "Brenneke" slug. If anyone has information I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks
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Jason,
That is a Brenneke slug. I have one in my reference collection. I can't inform if Brenneke manufacture their own casings or not.
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Hi Jason,
We have a cartridge headstamp guide nested in the Exam Resources tab on the AFTE home page.
Click here for the Headstamp Guide (http://www.afte.org/ExamResources/headstamps/headstampguide.htm)
Perhaps you could request the Webmaster add your headstamp to the list, otherwise we will have our headstamp information scattered all about the web site making it difficult to access.
Thanks,
Edited By bobshem on 1077931223
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Hey Guys and Gals, (I must remain gender neutral)
I'm working on an update to the headstamp section that will use some pretty cool tools.
It will be a php gallery system with mysql database. Did I loose you?
Anyway you'll be able to upload images directly to various albums in the gallery. The software will create thumbnails on the fly that can then be labeled.
It should be pretty neat. I hope to have it online in the next day or two.
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This headstamp is on a caliber 223 Remington cartridge case. Through some research, we think the symbol is an Arabic character. We believe the cartridge case may be made by a company called ADCOM Manufacturing located in Abu Dhabi. They are a manufacturer of military supplies (including 223 ammunition). However, no headstamp information for this company could be found. They do have a website (www.adcommfg.co.ae) but I have not yet been able to access it. Has anyone seen this before or have any information on who the manufacturer may be?
Shane Greene
Special Agent / Firearms and Tool Mark Examiner
North Carolina State Burearu of Investigation
sgreene@ncdoj.com
(919) 662-4509 ext 1358
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Big thanks to Christopher R. Bartocci from the Monroe County Department of Public Safety Laboratory in New York for identifying this headstamp! And to Mark Simonson for pointing me to him.
The cartridge is produced by Igman out of Bosnia. The symbol is actually an "i". A zoomable picture can be found at http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=101428&AID=1556312&PID=952457 for those who are interested.
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does anyone have any info on this headstamp?
Christine Murphy
FDLE Orlando Crime Lab
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NPA: New Generation Ammunition Pty Ltd, Box 9207, Hennopsmeer 0046 R.S.A. per the Headstamp Codes on Small Arms Ammuntion Identifying Makers complied by Lew Curtis (AFTE TA) & John Moss
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I did a web search and came up with two possibilities for the NPA headstamp: New Generation Ammunition Pty Ltd, Hennopsmeer, RSA and Olympic Industries, Greece.
There were several threads warning of problems with high pressure and failure to eject with some of this ammo.
refer to : http://www.aaconsult.com/ammoreview/html/_223_reviews.html
( scroll to Olympic)
www.jouster.com/cgi-bin/reload/reload.pl
( use the search and enter NPA)
www.cartridgecollectors.org/headstampcodes_bottom.htm
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I have looked through my entire headstamp collection and guides, but I cannot ID this headstamp. Has anyone seen this one?
Lawrence
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Yes, I just had one of these earlier this week! :smiley:
According to George Kass's headstamp guide, this is from:
"China North Industries Corp.
Beijing
Peoples Republic of China
The nunber on the headstamp at 6:00 is a year code (example 91 = 1991). This headstamp can be found in various boxes. Known years are 90, 91, 92, 93 and 94."
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Alison,
Thank you for the quick reply! I guess I am missing that page in Kass's guide.
Have a good weekend.
Lawrence Pilcher
RI State Crime Lab
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I can't find this headstamp in my reference lit...It's 7.62 x 39mm, steel case with red lacquer over the whole primer, reminiscent of stuff from China and Russia...I suspect the "80" represents the year made and the "22" represents a government ammunition manufacturing plant, but if anyone has any more specific information I would really appreciate it!
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Alison,
I have a couple of references that state that 22 is a Romanian code, but not much info. beyond that.
http://cartridgecollectors.org/headstampcodes_bottom.htm (http://cartridgecollectors.org/headstampcodes_bottom.htm)
Good Luck,
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According to my headstamp reference list on 7.62 x 39 that is indeed a Romanian (lac :police:quered steel loaded with a ball (FMJ) bullet. There are also a blank with the same headstamp known.
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There was a small glitch in my previous posting - somehow the word lacquered got a little messed up.
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Good Morning to all.
I need help (again) with identifying who markets the attached cartridge. I’ve looked under Georges site and other with no luck. Has anybody seen this one? Incase my attachments do not work, the Headstamp is 9 MM with what looks like a circle just on the outside of the primer.
Thanks
Garry
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I just checked and found that the headstamp photo did not show up, so here (I think) is the headstamp.
Garry
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Gary,
The case was used by Pretoria Metal Pressings of South Africa. I documented this headstamp in my data base in 1997.
George Kass
Forensic Ammunition Service
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Thanks George.
Is it in your current data base? I must have been searching the wrong way if it is. If it is there, what is it listed under?
Thanks again
Garry
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Can anyone else access the "Letters" headstamp guide? I've had problems over the past couple of days. I can look at any of the others with no problems.
Thanks
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Jay,
I just tried and had no problem. That is after Charles showed me where the headstamp guide was. :-\ That is how long it's been since I went there.
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Jay,
Two weeks ago I was unable to enter the Letter section of the headstamp guide. I emailed Scott and he told me that there was a computer glich. I emailed Scott this morning and he informed me that he had been working on the issue with the headstamp guide this past weekend.
Michael
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Jay,
I think you can still search it, it just doesn't let you browse like the others. No idea what would cause that.
What headstamp are you looking for?
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As of five minutes ago, the "Letters" section of the AFTE Headstamp Guide should once again be functional.
If a few folks would be kind enough to give it a try and give me affirmation, it would be much appreciated.
Sorry for the delay, I'll continue to work on getting things cleaned up.
I'm also attempting to link the ammo box submissions to the appropriate headstamps. You can try out this feature by navigating to the B headstamp album, clicking on the Barrett 50 cal. headstamp and the link "view ammo box" that appears at the end of the narrative. Please let me know if the link is not functional.
Thanks again to all that have made contributions and I'll keep you updated as changes are made.
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Thanks for getting the headstamp guide fixed David.
The headstamp i'm interested in looks to be on an 8mm Mauser cartridge oriented as shown:
M.M.A.P.B
1946
Thanks
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Jay,
could there be a F in front of the M.M.A.P.B ?
Then it is Fabrica Militar de Municiones de Armes Portatiles "Borghi" in Argentina
(with compliments of CartWinPro ;) )
Greetings
Axel
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Axel,
Yes there is in fact an F. in front of the M.
I appreciate CartWinPro's help in addition to yours. O0
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Can anybody provide me with any infromation on a cartiridge that has a headstamp of
8 R
9MMK
I know that it is a 380 auto/9mm Kurtz, but can anybody tell me anything else about it?
Thank you
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Garry,
If the 8 is in the 9 o'clock position and the R is in the 3 o'clock position, that would be consistent with Musgrave (Pty) Limited, Bloemfontein, South Africa.
In CartWinPro there is also a note that says cartridge case made by PMP and loaded by Hirtenberg.
You also might want to post a photo for inclusion in the AFTE Headstamp Gallery, because I didn't see that one in there.
Richard
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Thank you for the info. No I do not have the cartridge, it was described to me.
I can see that I need to talk the bosses into buying the CartWinPro.
Thanks again for the help
Garry
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Hi everyone. My coworker, Steve, received this cartridge as evidence. Does anyone know the manufacturer of this headstamp? I can't find it in the gallery. Thanks!
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Alina,
it is obviously not a very fine printed headstamp but it seems to read as
FMCSF
= =
9mm59
This indicates as manufacturer:
Fabrica Militar de Cartuchos San Francisco;
San Francisco/ Cordoba
Argentina
9mm Luger made in 1959
With compliments of CartWinPro ;)
Axel
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Thank you Axel!
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Can anyone provide a manufacturer for a 45 ACP cartridge case with a triangle headstamp followed by "93"?
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maybe this
http://www.afte.org/ExamResources/gallery2/v/Headstamp-Gallery/album02/Norinco_Triangle.jpg.html
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Thanks Bob, that is it! O0
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Bob is correct. The "triangle" 93 45 AUTO is also listed in CartWinPro as Norinco.
Richard
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Does anyone know what country the military headstamp code 310 refers to?
Aaron
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Aaron,
I know that 311 and 312 are unknown factories, Peoples Republic of China but I can't find a 310. Are we talking 7.62X39?
WW
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Bill,
Yep, we have the same info. I'm guessing that 310 might be in the same series, but can't find any source that actually shows that code related to a country. In this particular case, the cartridge is a 12.7X108mm, but we'll take any info on 310 being related a country in any caliber.
Aaron
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Based on the Cartridge Headstamp Guide by Henry P. White and Burton D. Munhall--they have 310 listed as Russia, Soviet manufacture--unknown factory. I will keep looking to try to nail it down more.
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Russian makes sense. Aaron are you thinking a DShK?
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Here are some sites that offer general info on the 12.7x108mm, not much in the way of helping with the headstamp, but do not know how much info you have available.
http://www.lveplant.ru/boevpat_eng.htm
and
http://www.mind42.com/wiki/12.7x108mm
still looking for headstamp info
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Aaron,
Are there any letters or just the 310?
Richard
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Thanks for the help everbody. Any info is good stuff. Sounds like Russia might be it. DShK is the primary firearm around here that fires 12.7, but that doesn't necessarily mean Russian ammo. We see more Chinese and Eastern bloc stuff iin 12.7. Richard, the headstamp is 310 over a two numeral year, nothing else. Thanks again everybody. Keep it coming.
Aaron
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What year is on the headstamp? Older or more recent?
CMC
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Recent 2003 Headstamp is 310 over 03, steel case, brass primer with red sealant on the edge of the primer pocket only.
Aaron
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One of our crime scene detectives went to a suicide involving a victim that shot himself in the chest with a .45 Auto Glock. The casing was still in the gun, and it is believed that the victim had his hand pushed against the rear of the slide preventing it from ejecting. The question is: the headstamp is marked EXT SHK .45Auto. Does anyone know the make of said cartridge. Thanks in advance!
Allen
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That headstamp is from Extreme Shock Ammunition.
http://www.extremeshockusa.com/
CMC
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One of our crime scene detectives went to a suicide involving a .45 Auto Glock. The casing was found in the firearm, and it was believed that the victim had placed the palm of his hand on the back of the slide preventing the casing from ejecting. The headstamp was: EXT SHK 45 Auto
EXT from about 9:30 to 11, the SHK from about 1 to 3:30, and the 45 Auto between 7 and 5.
This is how it was described to me, the evidence didnt come to the lab since it was a suicide.
Thanks for any help.
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The headstamp is from Extreme Shock Ammunition.
http://www.extremeshockusa.com/
CMC
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As a little side remark I can add that for some suicides it is not unusual to find the casing in the firearm. If the victim does not hold the firearm firmly or in a "conventional" way, the energy that is normally used to extract the casing will for a great deal be dissipated in the movement of the hand/arm and ejection will not occur. He could also have held the front of the firearm with his other hand, hindering the slide to go rearward.
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Anyone with knowledge of either headstamp info or plant info from Middle Eastern Countries who would be willing to share, please contact me at:
michael.haag@comcast.net
This info would be passed on to a Dept of State investigations team at a class I may be presenting in Iraq.
I have already collected info from the CartWin Pro database, so that is already covered.
mgh
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Mike,
There is an AFTE Journal article regarding Middle Eastern headstamps. It is Headstamps with Arabic Markings by Ahmed K. Al-Khalifa, 1983, Vol 15, #2, page 64.
Aaron Fullerton or Ed Love might be able to provide some updated information since they are both currently working in Iraq. I'm sure they see their fair share of various types of Middle Eastern ammunition.
Richard
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Hi Mike
I have a fairly good 7.62 x 39 headstamp list from Russ Cornell (probably the world's largest 7.62 x 39 h/s collector) - it includes a good amount of Middle Eastern Headstamps. Contact me : paul.murphy@contactft.com
Paul Murphy
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I have been talking at length with Aaron. Sounds like they are doing some cool work over there.
Maybe a presentation at AFTE Aaron?
mgh
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Can anyone identify this headstamp?
It is a 5.56 Nato (M855) cartridge, but I have never seen this headstamp and we do not have one here at the lab.
[attachthumb=#]
Thanks!
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Dana,
Is that "TAA 06" at the bottom of the headstamp? I just want to make sure that I'm reading it correctly.
Richard
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Yes,
That is correct. With a NATO symbol at the top.
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I found it on a DOD publication.
TAA = Taiwan Arsenal
Nankang, Taipei
Thanks George Kass for pointing me towards the publication to search for.
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What DOD publication?
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MIL-STD-1461 - the newest version
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MIL-STD-1461 AMMUNITION MANUFACTURERS AND THEIR SYMBOLS
http://aero-defense.ihs.com/document/abstract/QWNJFAAAAAAAAAAA (http://aero-defense.ihs.com/document/abstract/QWNJFAAAAAAAAAAA)
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I'm not sure how this helps with headstamps? ??? Looks like military assigned lot numbers for different mfrs? Or am I looking at the wrong document?
There's a DIA publication that has some good headstamp info...
http://www.dia.mil/publicaffairs/Foia/smcal_vol1.pdf (http://www.dia.mil/publicaffairs/Foia/smcal_vol1.pdf)
http://www.dia.mil/publicaffairs/Foia/smcal_vol2.pdf (http://www.dia.mil/publicaffairs/Foia/smcal_vol2.pdf)
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MIL-STD-1461 - the newest version
Can you attach your's as a PDF or is that a secure document?
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The newest version is secure. Sorry Guys! I realized that when Mr. Kass asked for it. Otherwise, I would have posted the link.
The site that you gave has the older versions for sale for $25, but I don't have any of those, either, or I would post them. Any of the older headstamps should be covered in other databases, since they are available (I know George has some older versions.)
If anyone ever has questions about Newer NATO ammunition (with the clover leaf symbol on it) that is not listed in any of your other references, please feel free to send me a photo and I can look it up. The information is not classified, it is just not in a place that is readily available.
Ashley,
Ammunition that is made for military contract by various vendors is given a specific 2 or 3 letter code that is specific to that company and identifies where that cartridge case was originally made. The headstamp must bear that letter code, year of manufacture and the cloverleaf. So you might be looking at the right thing, becasuse what I have is a listing of all the letter codes matched to the factory and location, rather than headstamp pictures.
So my headstamp was made in 2006 in Taiwan for military use (NATO approved).
The reference you posted is a great reference that I did not have. Thanks for posting it!
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Does anyone recognize this headstamp symbol? I searched the images on the AFTE website and in the Kass headstamp guide but didn't see anything like it.
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Igman.
http://www.afte.org/forum/smf1/index.php?topic=3792.0
http://www.afte.org/forum/smf1/index.php?topic=2887.0
CMC
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Thanks, Charles. I see that this has been posted on the forum a few times already.
http://www.afte.org/forum/smf1/index.php?topic=3792.0 (http://www.afte.org/forum/smf1/index.php?topic=3792.0)
Thanks!
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We need to get that headstamp into the gallery under "I". Mr. Wright do your magic. ;)
CMC
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Debbie,
Thanks for the post! As Charles pointed out, I've been asleep at the wheel and missed a few opportunities to get this added to the database.
The headstamp has been added to the gallery under the Letter I section and can now be found here:
http://www.afte.org/ExamResources/gallery2/v/Headstamp-Gallery/Letters_001/I/ (http://www.afte.org/ExamResources/gallery2/v/Headstamp-Gallery/Letters_001/I/)
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This one has us stumped, but it could be a case of the Mondays. The caliber marking is at 12:00; the symbol is at 6:00. The timer is going...
Scott
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See the AFTE Headstamp gallery.
http://www.afte.org/ExamResources/gallery2/v/Headstamp-Gallery/Letters_001/B/
Marketed under name Golden Tiger.
CMC
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Then it absolutely was a case of the Mondays. Thank you much. Tunnel vision negated looking under the letters gallery... Wouldn't have happened on a Tuesday! :-\
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Scott,
ammo with this headstamp was marketed by the Star-Vector Corp, NV under the Golden Tiger Brand. The homepage of Star-Vector is not working anymore so they might be out of business.
Greetings
Axel
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Is the 9mm Largo the same as the 9mm Bergman-Bayard? If not, does anyone have dimensional data for the 9mm Largo? And lastly, is anyone familiar with the headstamp 6S with the year 61 or 62 (sorry no photos) for suspected caliber 9mm Largo cartridges? Mahalo in advance!
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http://9mmlargo.com/cartridge/index.htm
http://9mmlargo.com/index.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_mm_Largo
http://www.9mmlargo.com/discus/messages/20/241.html?1094904024
http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/product258.html
http://ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php?pName=25rds-9mm-largo-santa-barbara-military-surplus-128gr-fmj-ammo&cName=pistol-ammo-9mm-largo
Wow, I can't believe that I beat Chuckie Clow to the punch! O0
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Aloha Curtis,
I know it sounds strange but could the 6S be a PS ?
The Spanish headtsamps are know for their sloppy look and are sometimes incomplete "printed".
PS = Pirotecnia de Sevilla
PS is a common headstamp on 9 mm Largo (9x23)
Greetings
Axel
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Any ideas who the manufacture was?
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That crescent and star are symbols on Turkish ammo.
Reference:
Cartridge Headstamp Identification
By: Curtis Steinhauer
www.cartridge-corner.com
CMC
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Kass also has a headstamp with the crescent and star as being from Turkey.
CMC
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Found this in the DIA Small Caliber Identification Guide.
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*Note 4 says that there may be some variations on this headstamp.
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Evan,
just a little addition to Richards information.
The 8 x 57IS (aka 7.9x57IS) was made by different manufacturer for the Turkish military and contains the manufacturer.
FS indicates Fabrique Soloturn as manufacturer.
7.9 is the caliber abbrevation
TC is the property mark for the Turish military
1947 is the obviously the year of manufacturing (at least the case)
@Richard
The differences are explained in the two letters opposite to the T halfmoon C.
Please check the explanation for the different headstamp codes and you will find that this position indicates the manufacturer.
Fabrique Soloturn has a FS
Fabrique National has a FN
Hirtenberger has a HP in this position.
If you enter T and the halfmoon symbol you should find 8 headstamps if you have done the updates ....
Greetings
Axel
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Thank you for information provided by all. Most helpful.
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Hey y'all,
I have a 9mm Luger cartridge case with "BLAZER 9mm LUGER" as the headstamp. The cartridge case is brass and the primer is nickel. The first thing that came to mind was CCI's Blazer Brass but all of my Blazer Brass has "CCI" for a headstamp instead of "Blazer". Any ideas?
Thanks
Tori
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Tori,
there are quite a few different ones around.
Please check for dots on the headstamp and post the picture.
I have seen them sold Walmart and different gun shops.
Obviously this is the inexpensive brass version of BLAZER
Greetings
Axel
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Axel, I see one dot between the 9mm and Blazer
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:: waiting for Richard to chime in ::
http://www.afte.org/forum/smf1/index.php?topic=1367.90
(near the bottom)
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Thanks Axel, Chris, and (by default) Richard. I looked in the Headstamp Guide and didn't see one. I thought it was Blazer Brass. My stock of it is a couple of years old.
Any chances of getting the images posted on this link added to the guide?
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Tori,
I have a box with a few rounds of this variation (dot between the B and the 9).
It was sold it in a Walmart in Tucson, Sept 2008 and has a 115 gr FMJ bullet.
If you need anything specific please let me know.
Aaron and I spend most of these round on the steel targets at his club match. O0
If the arrangement on the headstamp is the same as with SPEER
it indicates that the cartridge case is made by Federal for CCI/ Blazer
For details on the BLAZER BRASS See the information on the BLAZER ammo from the 2009 brochure (handed out at SHOT Show2009).
Compliments of the ammo database www.CartWinPro.com (http://www.CartWinPro.com) ;)
Greetings
Axel
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Chris,
My boss has kept me too busy to do much on the forum lately. I'm glad to see that you took up the slack on that though.
The BLAZER headstamp is in reply 101 in the thread, and I bought the box that I posted the headstamp from at a local gun shop sometime in 2008.
Please note that the photo I posted is 40 S&W and does not have a dot. I am reposting the headstamp below to save others from looking through the long thread that it was in.
Richard
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My understanding is that the CCI line is only rimfire now, so the days of CCI Blazer are over.
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Bob,
I am not completely certain about this.
In the BLAZER catalogue are BLAZER rimfires listed ....
(see enclosed part of the 2009 catalogue)
Greetings
Axel
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It seems they may just be restructuring and calling things by different names now. CCI appears to be rimfire only like Bob mentioned. The exception to this being centerfire shotshells in various calibers and primers. The old CCI Blazer line now seems to be the Blazer Ammo line.
www.cci-ammunition.com/default.aspx
www.blazer-ammo.com/blazer_brass.aspx
It is interesting that the contact information for Blaser Brass is still that of CCI/Speer.
Richard
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Wow. Thanks everyone! I really appreciate all of the info.
Tori
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Just need a little help with the mfg of this cartridge case...haven't seen it before. I just know when I come in to work in the morning, there'll be an answer!
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Steve,
An internet source lists it as Harcord Manufacturing Company Inc., Jersey City, NJ. However, I have not verified that information through authoritative sources such as George Kass' headstamp guide or CartWinPro.
I will be out of the office tomorrow, but I'm sure someone else will look it up and get back to you.
Richard
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Ian Hogg's Cartridge Guide says same.
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Steve,
I am afraid it is not Harcord Mfg.
Accoring to my information (what I have seen) it is
HMC = Hornady Mfg. Co
- believed to be made by Barnaul
- sold by Hornady as Hornady #9760EL "75 gr BTHP Training" (the headstamp pictured in our database)
- plain white box with a Hornady lable sticking on the end flap of the box.
- laquered steel case
Note: there is a slightly different HMC headstamp without the decimal and a space between the 223 and the REM. / Seen in 2007
The cartridge and box are i.e. shown here:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=119810946#PIC (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=119810946#PIC)
Greetings
Axel
It took CartWinPro ~16 seconds to find it in its database (of 15.000 headstamps since yesterday!).
;)
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Thanks to all
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The attached image is in the AFTE headstamp gallery, but no information about what it is! I believe 71 is a Chinese factory code, but I'd like to confirm. Can someone help me out?
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Here is some information although not too helpful
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Sorry the image didn't go through I'll try again
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Alison,
According to CartWinPro the 71 is for a Chinese factory on that particular headstamp. However, there are other 71 headstamps in different layouts or designs (some letters or symbols added or the 71 in a different location) that are not Chinese. I emailed you some info that you might want to include in your case folder.
Richard
btw - CartWinPro is a very useful resource that I feel is well worth the cost.
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I have two boxes of Norinco ammunition with similar headstamp. I have included pictures.
Plain silver Norinco box has 71/92 headstamp.
The China Sports box had the 71/91 headstamp.
Back of China Sports box says Made in China by Norinco, Imported by ChinaSports, Ontario, CA 91761 USA
I am assuming that the 92/91/93 is year of manufacture??
Here are some pictures. Hope it helps!
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Looking for some help in identifying who markets this cartridge.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Joe
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I believe it is a Bosnian headstamp....I'll double check at let you know.
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Joe,
It is IGMAN ZAVOD made in Yugoslav and has been sold by Hansen Cartridge Co.
This info is from Kass.
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OK, I confirmed with CartWinPro that it is Igman headstamp from Konjic, Bosna i Hercegovina (Bosnia and Herzegovina) post Yugoslav break-up (1992).
The "i" looks a little bit different in other calibers, but it's a ringer for the one you have in the picture.
I am TRYING to get into the factory for my January trip to BiH, but so far no luck.
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The emblem is also in the AFTE Headstamp Gallery.
www.afte.org/ExamResources/gallery2/v/Headstamp-Gallery/Letters_001/I/
Richard
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Thank you very much Justine and Kim for your timely assistance. Thanks Richard.
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Joe,
It is IGMAN ZAVOD made in Yugoslav and has been sold be Hansen Cartridge Co.
This info is from Cass.
I think Cass isn't correct in that. Igman Zavod was the Yugoslavian company--pre 1991 and they used a totally different headstamp that was in cyrillic--either a backwards N (I in latin)K or an I K (can we put cyrillic letters in this??!). The company is Unis Igman Konjic now and uses the "i" as a logo. So, your best bet is just call it an Igman.
I just realized after Richard posted the link to the headstamp gallery that some of those enteries are probably not correct since some are calling Zavod headstamps Igman Konjic that are pre-1992 (i.e. the 86 headstamp). I guess someone like Axel should confirm, but all the IK entries (I THINK) that should be Igman Zavod (Yugoslavia) if they are pre-1992 and all "i" enteries should be Igman Konjic--no matter what. I don't think the "i" was used at all prior to BiH becoming it's own country.
Oh, and Joe, just in case you are wondering the 308 headstamp in the gallery is the different kind of "i" I was talking about. Others (such as 9mm) had the more bubbly square "i" like what you posted a picture of.
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Justine,
First off I would like to say that David Wright has done a great job with the AFTE Headstamp Gallery. Secondly, I am in the process of double checking and updating some of the entries, and I may have inadvertently made the entries in question myself. Thank you for pointing this out, and I will look into all of the Igman headstamps.
Richard
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Looking at the headstamp gallery, it looks like the IK headstamp was or is being used well into the 2000's. Can't speak as to the squiggle i.
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Friends,
I have the following information:
ИК
Headstamps known between 1957 and 1987
-> Igman Zavod = Igman factory / Yugoslavia (1929 - 1991)
IK
Headstamps known between 1956 and 2003
- if the headstamp is dated up until 1991: Igman Zavod = Igman factory / Yugoslavia (1929 - 1991)
- if the headstamp is dated 1991 or later: Igman Konjic (Igman D.D.) / Bosnia-Herzegovina (1992 - ...)
- 1991 and undated headstamps can be either one.
Some can be dated but I need to see the headstamp
Small letter i in a ¾ closed circle
I have only encountered them on cartridge in boxes marked with Igman Konjic (Igman D.D.) / Bosnia-Herzegovina (1992 - ...)
Concerning Unis
They may have dropped the Unis in Unis Igman Konjic meanwhile or it was/is a entity within Igman. The latest catalogues show only Igman D.D. as company name.
Importers
2003 catalogue has a paper lable that shows as US importer
TR&Z USA Trading Corp.
Stratford, CT 06615
2499 Main St.
... later Igman International USA shows up at the same location
As far as I remember Hansen Cartridge Company, Southport CT has imported Yugosavian cartridges (Igman and PPU) in the mid 1980's
That is all I have so far.
Greetings
Axel
@Justine
Cyrillic =
Use WinWord -> "Insert Symbol" -> select ARIAL -> scroll down and insert the letter you want into a WinWord document -> copy and paste in the Post Reply window
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;D ;D ;D ;D
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"...can we put cyrillic letters in this...??!"
Alternately, the following were copied from the Internet and stored in an Outlook Express "Drafts" file. When a letter was needed, the letter could be copied and pasted for use in a document or forum.
If you search "Cyrillic" here, the following might be helpful in the future:
Incomplete, mixed fonts, in no particular ordeя:
Ч Е Н А б Э К С Т И М У П Р Ц Я В Г О Л О Й З а м к ч с ы р г о й о т х к ж ь л у в л я þ Б з п и т н д л е м о р а я Б у ч с ц
A few odds and ends—or when you need Danish: ;)
♪ ¢ € † ‡ ™ œ Ÿ ¡ § © ª ® ¶ ¹ ºº ¿ ° É Å å Ø ø Þ æ è é ë ï ñ Ç ç ü ö ∫ ≈ ≠ ≡ ≤ ≥ • ± —
I never did find the symbol for "grains" (a small "o" with a bar over it—found on Japanese-manufactured scales).
≡≡8-O (Symbol for "alarmed")
Hope this is helpful. :D
¯\(°_o)/¯
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I believe that I have completed making the neccessary updates to the Igman headstamps in the AFTE Headstamp Gallery. I also added the headstamp that Joe provided in this thread.
I will be looking at the other Yugoslavia and former Yugoslavia headstamps and updating them as neccessary in the near future.
Thanks for all of the information provided.
Richard
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I have been going through looking for headstamp related questions in the other forums on the AFTE web site and moving them to this thread. This is an attempt to get all of the headstamp related posts in a central location to make it easier to determine if there are headstamps that haven't yet made it into the AFTE Headstamp Guide.
Your patience is appreciated, because this is a work in progress.
Richard
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Turkish headstamp with letters "FS" , TC etc.... TC== Turkiye C(h)umhuriet ( Turkish Republic) and FS is an Abbreviation for "Fisek" referring the the main Cartridge Factory at Kirikkale ( Ankara)...Fisek means "Cartridge." ( earlier Turkish HS with "FI" referred to "Fabrika Iskanderun"...FS can also mean "Fabrika Silah" ( Arms factory). Turkish HS are nothinbg if not inscrutable....
Nothing to do with "Fabrique Solothurn" which is a misnomer, as the Factory at Solothurn (the town) is in a German zone of Switzerland...and does not make small calibre ammo ( Bigger Oerlikon and Hispano cannon shells, yes, SAA, NO. The name is variously rendered as Waffenfabrik Steyr Solothurn, or simply Waffenfabrik Solothurn.
Assuming that every inital in a headstamp refers to a factory etc, is barking up the wrong tree.
regards,Doc AV
AV Ballistics.