Topic: Unknown sub-machine pistol

[Rachel]

Please can anyone shed any light on the origin of this sub-machine pistol. The only markings are "LUGER 9MM" on the rear left side of the receiver. The calibre is 9mm Luger. Plastic grip. Automatic fire selector lever is marked "1" and "X".

[Axel Manthei]

Rachel,

could you give us a calibre?

Axel

[Jerryp]

Axel

Looks like its a 9MM

[Charles Clow]

I did some searching on the internet last night and found a website that had numerous sub machine guns and their history. 

http://world.guns.ru/main-e.htm

I emailed the gentleman who oversees the site to see if he might know what the posted gun was.  He said that he wasn't sure, but it reminded him of "some SMG produced in Eastern Europe (i.e. Croatia or Serbia) during turbulent 1990s."

Maybe something to look into.

Let us know how it turns out.

CMC

[Jan De Ceuster]

Eastern Europe was also my first guess, judging on the overall appearance.

It has indeed some design features that made me think of the Agram2000, although it's still quite different. So maybe Kroatian.

[Justine Kreso]

Possibly some kind of Škorpion (CZ)/Samopal vzor 61 E (Zastava) knock-off?

[Axel Manthei]

Justine,

the Scorpion is a completly different design (also no plastic except for the grips)

The direction Jan is pointing is probably right ... but we will find out.

Axel

[Brandon Bertolli]

Courtesy of our friends at The High Road:

http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/36/198033-m4905847.html

Check the bottom of the page. It is a match.

[Jerryp]

Way to go Brandon 

Can anyone transate? 

[Charles Clow]

I believe Аграм translates to Agram. So it would be an Agram 2002.  Croatian . . . as Jan thought.

CMC


P.S. Here is a link that says that this model is a variant of the Agram 2000.

http://www.answers.com/topic/agram-2000
 

[Jan De Ceuster]

I'm good, I'm good 

[Brandon Bertolli]

Yes, well done to Jan for recognising the general 'family' of the gun. Perhaps Rachel should send him some fine Scottish shortbread in recognition of his expertise 

[Jan De Ceuster]

I'll settle for a nice single malt Scotch whisky 

[Michelle Dilbeck]

You guys are too fast. I was working on the translation when you posted.   

The caption says it is a "further (last) modification to the Agram 2002".

[Jan De Ceuster]

A quick googleing on "Agram 2002" shows pictures of a differently looking firearm, i.e. the Agram 2000 where the foregrip was removed. Apparently this gun is marketed as the Agram 2002.

But, as a rule of thumb: never trust the Internet. Therefore, I have sent the picture to our Croatian colleagues for confirmation. Once I have news, I'll post it on the forum.