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Author Topic: Unknown sub-machine pistol  (Read 56929 times)

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Rachel

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Re: Unknown sub-machine pistol
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2007, 04:46:17 AM »
Hey
Thanks to everyone for their help, all your findings confirm our original thoughts as Croatian.

Jan
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How's the family doing?

Rachel

Offline Axel Manthei

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Re: Unknown sub-machine pistol
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2007, 04:37:48 PM »
Rachel,

I got some information from Slovenia about your SMG which it is an illegal "backyard" production.
See attached article (Slovenian language).

I will email you further non-public information directly to your office email as this is the public side of the forum and you can not access the members area.
Please enter your email address in your forum profile

Greetings

Axel

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Also a good reason to become a member ..... O0

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Re: Unknown sub-machine pistol
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2007, 02:50:05 PM »
Here is a translation of the article talking about the questioned firearm that Axel posted:

April 9th, 2006

Agram for Criminals in England and Russia

At the beginning of the war* family Vugrek in their work shop in Gornji Golubovac constructed a sub machine gun Agram based on the Italian Beretta PM12-5. Later, it was perfected and named Agram 2000. This weapon was not mass produced but in the mid 90s it showed up on black market. It is known that in 1998 Agram was used in St. Petersburg where a well known Russian politician Galina Sorovojtova was assassinated.
Even before this incident, Russian police had confiscated around 50 Agrams. Russian police had determined that this Croatian sub machine gun was brought in to their country by Russian soldiers who served as peace keepers in the former Yugoslavia.
In London, at the beginning of 2004 a drug dealer was arrested and the police found an Agram 2000 in his possession. British police calls this weapon as one of the most dangerous in the world because of its potential to cause chaos and destruction in the streets of London.

*The war in Croatia started in 1991.

Justine Kreso
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Offline Michael Ward

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Re: Unknown sub-machine pistol
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2007, 03:19:07 PM »
Justine, 

Where did you get the translation done?
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Offline Justine Kreso

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Re: Unknown sub-machine pistol
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2007, 03:23:05 PM »
Justine, 

Where did you get the translation done?

I tried my hand at doing it, then gave the rest to a native Serbo-Croat speaker to do.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2007, 06:05:17 AM by Justine Davis »
Justine Kreso
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Offline Bill Wheatley

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Re: Unknown sub-machine pistol
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2007, 08:41:53 AM »
Has anyone put a call out to the ATF Firearms Technology Branch ref. this firearm.  I'm sure they would be interested in having the info or maybe they have some info on it themselves.

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