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Jason Crafton
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Unknown Headstamp
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December 08, 2009, 01:11:46 PM »
I have several of these cartridges in a case and need help identifying them. I didn't see them in the gallery or in any reference I have. Here is a picture of the headstamp. Thank You.
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December 08, 2009, 01:31:21 PM »
Russian (Barnaul)-JSC Barnaul Machine Tool Plant
Brand names: Brown Bear, Silver Bear, Golden Bear
per CartWinPro
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December 08, 2009, 02:02:37 PM »
http://www.afte.org/ExamResources/gallery2/v/Headstamp-Gallery/album02/9mm+Luger.jpg.html
CMC
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December 08, 2009, 02:20:39 PM »
Brown Bear, Silver Bear, and Golden Bear are occasionally available here at local gun shops, but they are not readily available here. However, Barnaul cartridges are readily available here at Academy under the Monarch brand.
I am posting this information in case you want to go buy some of the cartridges.
Richard
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Jason Crafton
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December 09, 2009, 07:46:59 AM »
Thanks for the information. I asked my brother about the lettering, he has an Archaeology/Anthropology degree and knows several different languages (Greek, Latin, and Russian). He said the letters on the headstamp are translated as follows:
The first letter is a б, Russian b
The second letter п is pi, pronounced p (not pie)
The third letter з he said was a fancy z
бпз = bpz
I had checked the AFTE gallery with no luck because the headstamp was located in the symbols area. The place I didn't check since I had the above translation. I'll be more thorough next time, thanks again for the help - Jason.
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Richard Hitchcox
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December 09, 2009, 09:54:30 AM »
Jason,
Thanks for the translation. I wasn't aware that those were Cyrillic letters, because they looked like symbols to me. The headstamp is now located in both the letters album (under B) and the symbols album. That should make it easier to find.
Richard
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Justine Kreso
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December 09, 2009, 11:49:19 AM »
Perhaps a "cyrillic" category is due in the headstamp gallery? Or maybe combining all the non-latin alphabet entries into one group? (cyrillic, arabic, chinese, etc)
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Richard Hitchcox
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December 09, 2009, 12:08:41 PM »
Justine,
I created an Arabic album a while back. I don't think it will be too much problem to go ahead with your suggestion for albums for Chinese and Cyrillic.
Thanks.
Richard
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DocAV
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July 14, 2010, 10:51:19 PM »
bPZ Barnaul Patronnyi Zavod Barnaul Cartridge Works. Russian rendition of initials.
Regards, Doc AV
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