Please can anyone shed any light on the origin of this sub-machine pistol. The only markings are "LUGER 9MM" on the rear left side of the receiver. The calibre is 9mm Luger. Plastic grip. Automatic fire selector lever is marked "1" and "X".
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Rachel,
could you give us a calibre?
Axel
Axel
Looks like its a 9MM
I did some searching on the internet last night and found a website that had numerous sub machine guns and their history.
http://world.guns.ru/main-e.htm
I emailed the gentleman who oversees the site to see if he might know what the posted gun was. He said that he wasn't sure, but it reminded him of "some SMG produced in Eastern Europe (i.e. Croatia or Serbia) during turbulent 1990s."
Maybe something to look into.
Let us know how it turns out.
CMC
Eastern Europe was also my first guess, judging on the overall appearance.
It has indeed some design features that made me think of the Agram2000, although it's still quite different. So maybe Kroatian.
Possibly some kind of Škorpion (CZ)/Samopal vzor 61 E (Zastava) knock-off?
Justine,
the Scorpion is a completly different design (also no plastic except for the grips)
The direction Jan is pointing is probably right ... but we will find out.
Axel
Courtesy of our friends at The High Road:
http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/36/198033-m4905847.html
Check the bottom of the page. It is a match.
Way to go Brandon O0
Can anyone transate? :laugh:
I believe Аграм translates to Agram. So it would be an Agram 2002. Croatian . . . as Jan thought.
CMC
P.S. Here is a link that says that this model is a variant of the Agram 2000.
http://www.answers.com/topic/agram-2000
I'm good, I'm good :D
Yes, well done to Jan for recognising the general 'family' of the gun. Perhaps Rachel should send him some fine Scottish shortbread in recognition of his expertise ;)
I'll settle for a nice single malt Scotch whisky :P
You guys are too fast. I was working on the translation when you posted. :'(
The caption says it is a "further (last) modification to the Agram 2002".
A quick googleing on "Agram 2002" shows pictures of a differently looking firearm, i.e. the Agram 2000 where the foregrip was removed. Apparently this gun is marketed as the Agram 2002.
But, as a rule of thumb: never trust the Internet. Therefore, I have sent the picture to our Croatian colleagues for confirmation. Once I have news, I'll post it on the forum.
Hey
Thanks to everyone for their help, all your findings confirm our original thoughts as Croatian.
Jan
A single malt shouldn't be a problem.
How's the family doing?
Rachel
Rachel,
I got some information from Slovenia about your SMG which it is an illegal "backyard" production.
See attached article (Slovenian language).
I will email you further non-public information directly to your office email as this is the public side of the forum and you can not access the members area.
Please enter your email address in your forum profile
Greetings
Axel
P.S.
Also a good reason to become a member ..... O0
Here is a translation of the article talking about the questioned firearm that Axel posted:
April 9th, 2006
Agram for Criminals in England and Russia
At the beginning of the war* family Vugrek in their work shop in Gornji Golubovac constructed a sub machine gun Agram based on the Italian Beretta PM12-5. Later, it was perfected and named Agram 2000. This weapon was not mass produced but in the mid 90's it showed up on black market. It is known that in 1998 Agram was used in St. Petersburg where a well known Russian politician Galina Sorovojtova was assassinated.
Even before this incident, Russian police had confiscated around 50 Agrams. Russian police had determined that this Croatian sub machine gun was brought in to their country by Russian soldiers who served as peace keepers in the former Yugoslavia.
In London, at the beginning of 2004 a drug dealer was arrested and the police found an Agram 2000 in his possession. British police calls this weapon as one of the most dangerous in the world because of its potential to cause chaos and destruction in the streets of London.
*The war in Croatia started in 1991.
Justine,
Where did you get the translation done?
Quote from: Michael Ward on July 25, 2007, 03:19:07 PM
Justine,
Where did you get the translation done?
I tried my hand at doing it, then gave the rest to a native Serbo-Croat speaker to do.
Has anyone put a call out to the ATF Firearms Technology Branch ref. this firearm. I'm sure they would be interested in having the info or maybe they have some info on it themselves.
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