PUBLIC Forums => Public Forums => Headstamp Submissions => Topic started by: David Wright on November 14, 2005, 10:49:40 AM
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The AFTE Headstamp Gallery (http://www.afte.org/ExamResources/gallery/Headstamp-Gallery) is in need of new submissions.
The previous call for assistance went unanswered, so we've decided to sweeten the deal with a CONTEST!
Here are the rules:
Reply to this post and attach a photo of a headstamp that is not currently featured in the Headstamp Gallery (http://www.afte.org/ExamResources/gallery/Headstamp-Gallery) and you'll be entered into a drawing.
Multiple submissions will result in multiple entries (The Jim Hamby Method), increasing your chance of winning.
You may post any information you have about the headstamp along with the photo or simply post a pic and let someone else do the research.
The drawing will be held this Friday at 4:00 pm CST and the winner will be announced on the site.
And the prize...
A complete 7 disc DVD set of the Technical Papers presented at the AFTE 2005 Annual Training Seminar in Indianapolis earlier this year (I'll pocket the cost of the discs and shipping).
If you're not feeling lucky, you can always guarantee yourself a DVD set by ordering here (http://www.afte.org/tsDVDsales/tsdvdsales.htm).
Good Luck!
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Dominion
Manufactured by Canadian Industries Limited
Montreal, Canada
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Axiom Research Corporation
Raleigh, NC
Equaloy Ammunition
38 Spl. 38.5 grain (plastic?) bullet
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Super Vel
Shelby, Indiana
There is a Super Vel already in the gallery, but this one is different.
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Norinco
China North Industries
There's already a Norinco in the gallery, but this one is different also.
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Geco
Dynamite Nobel
Once again, this is different than the other Geco
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Hornady Frontier
Frontier Cartridge Company
Grand Island, Nebraska
100 gr. FMJ
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USAC
USAC, Inc.
Tacoma, WA
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Western
Winchester-Western Division
Olin Mathieson Chemical Corp.
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Peters
Peters Cartridge Division
Remington Arms Company
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These are made in Yugoslavia and marketed by
Hansen Cartridge Company
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Winchester Repeating Arms
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Made by Arms Corporation of the Philippines
Parang, Marikina, Metro Manila, Philippines
Distributed by:
Kassnar
Harrisburg, PA
"Concord" on the front and sides of the box
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I can supply pictures of any boxes if necessary.
You can go ahead and mail out the DVDs since i'm going to run away with this......unless Clow steps up. :D
Chris
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Hey, some of us have cases to work. You are a Firearm Examiner aren't you . . . or are you really just an intern?
CMC
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At least we know what motivates Chris now. FREE STUFF!!!!!! I think we may have another Hamby in the making. I would keep a close eye on reference collections is Chris visits your lab.
RC ;)
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You got that right, Ray.
Hamby visited last week and left 20 lbs. heavier. ???
Let's start with a few more for today:
Kynoch Factories of Imperial Chemical Industries Limited
Metals Devision, Witton, Birmingham, England
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Very little info on the box.
Leader
Made in Italy
C.I.P.
no other info
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Aguila
Industrias Tecnos, s.a. de c.v.
km. 6 carretera cuernavaca a tepoztlan adpo. postal no. 542
c.p. 62000 cuernavaca, mor. mexico
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Cor-Bon
1311 Industry Rd.
Sturgis, SD 57785
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Norma
40 Amotfors Sweden
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Fiocchi
Made in Italy
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Smith & Wesson
S&W Ammunition Company
Rock Creek, Ohio 44084
This particular cartridge is a 9mm loaded with a 100 gr. FMJ bullet.
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Remington Arms - This a a plain brown box from military surplus.
There is one on the gallery like it, but this one has enough of a difference in spacing that i thought it may be a candidate for inclusion.
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Another Remington Arms in a plain brown box
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IMI. There is another IMI on the gallery, but this one is loaded with a blue tip bullet
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Swiss Ruag 7.5 X 55 mm.
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Turkish Republic. Fabriklar Mamulati?
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South African ammunition
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ahhh, some competition, thanks for contributing, Z. Carr. O0
Chris
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Hey, some of us have cases to work. You are a Firearm Examiner aren't you . . . or are you really just an intern?
CMC
double whammy here-- cases to work and I already bought the set of disks. Any other prizes...........................
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How about the satisfaction of a job well done. O0
Let's see, I'll throw in a few CDs i got at the SHOT show last year (if i'm not the winner). They include:
1) Punching Power from Nammo Nordic Ammunition Company
2) Kahr Arms, Thompson, Auto Ordnance Line Art, Photo Images from Kahr Arms
3) JP Demo Video from JP Enterprises
4) ATK 2005 Catalogs
5) My sons 2nd B-Day party
Chris
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Chris,
Great contributions, that's the spirit!!! You are an example for our other AFTE Members. Feel free to post a photo of the birthday boy from the last CD you listed.
Have a great day,
Dom
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Just a thought Chris. Why are you so hot and heavy to win this thing . . . I mean didn't you do the videoing at the AFTE conference? I would think you would already have a set of disks.
CMC
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Chris Monturo=eBay King
8)
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Ah Ha! I figured as much. I'll start the bidding. $5.
CMC
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Now that the coveted Monturo B-Day Party Video is up for grabs, I'll throw my hat in the ring.
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I'll offer up another DVD set for the second place winner, but only if Clow posts a headstamp.
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Just a thought Chris. Why are you so hot and heavy to win this thing . . . I mean didn't you do the videoing at the AFTE conference? I would think you would already have a set of disks.
CMC
Yep, i helped out. I also have a copy of the "out takes" which includes Charlse nodding off and him walking around with toilet paper on his shoe. I'll throw that in to sweeten the deal. :D
Seriously, there are 2 sets up for the winning (if clow steps up). If you have a pile of ammo to sort through for the contest but not enough time, i bet you can ask Dave nicely to extend the contest until next week.
Chris
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I'll post some but . . . what about the two that I identified for you Chris. Are you at least doing to give me one?
CMC
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OK I'm in.
Tula Cartridge Works
Russia
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Thanks guys for making this effort a success. It doesn't make sense to pay anyone for this type of information when we can assemble it ourselves.
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The 3-D headstamp was used by 3-D Co. Inc., later 3-D Investments Inc., Doniphan, Nebraska. 3-D loaded the Equalloy bullet made in England for Axiom Reseach Corp of Raleigh, NC for a short period of time (circa 1987). 3-D produced a line of loaded ammunition they marketed from about 1949 to 2000 when they went out of business. Hornady acquired the machinery and raw materials of 3-D. The company history of both Axiom Research and 3-D are available at no charge to labs that have the 2005 version of our Headstamp CD.
George Kass
Forensic Ammunition Service
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Magtech Recreational Products
Brazil
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If the current contestants don't object (considering they have a 2 out of 3 chance of winning), I have no problem with extending the contest for a few weeks. How about December 5th as a deadline for submissions?
Thanks to all who have contributed and please keep the submissions coming!
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Why don't we continue to do this sort of thing in order to expand the database. Maybe we can do the same thing next year. Or maybe the winner of the current contest can put something up as the prize and we can just continue like that.
CMC
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The "S" on the headstamp indicates a cartridge with a "small flash hole". The "S" will remain as part of the headstamp. The "A" which is sometimes seen on the primer will be discontinued as it was part of an internal tracking system.
Reference: Coy Getman - 208.750.4546 (direct line) - SPEER.
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Yugoslavian 7.62X39mm (metak I believe means bullet)
40 cartridges with a stripper clip (40 Komada)
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Malaysian ammunition
had the boxes so figured I would share them too. :)
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Brown Bear
JSC Klimovsk Stamping Plant
2, Zavodskaya street, Klimovsk,
Moscow region, 142181, Russia
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Industria, Argentia
Fray Luis Beltran
45 Auto
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France
45 Auto
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Fabrique Nationale
45 Auto
www.fnherstal.com
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CMC Commemorative Headstamp
22 Shorty Longback caliber
Marketed under trade names "Kentucky Waterfall" and "Missouri Compromise"
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Very nice. I betcha Kass doesn't have that one. What does the mullet. . . I mean bullet look like?
Thanks for the new Avatar!
CMC
P.S. No backlog huh.
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That will be a classic which will rear it's ugly head at conferences for years to come.
Thanks, Dave.
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Dude
I said you were BRAVE.
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Here's one that I picked up at the Shot Show a couple years ago.
Top Brass by Scharch Mfg., Inc.
Salida, CO
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Here's one more from the ShotShow.
International Cartridge Corporation
Reynoldsville, PA
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This is Silver Bear 7.62x39mm with a zinc plated steel case manufactured by JSC Barnaul Machine-Tool Plant. The box is marked 7.62x39 123 Grain Bimetal HP Zinc Plated Case A762HPN www.bearammo.com. It has a green lacquered steel case.
FTI is in my office updating IBIS, so I can't get casework done. I thought this would be a good way to use my time during the IBIS upgrade.
RGH
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This is Silver Bear 7.62x39mm with a nickel plated steel case manufactured by JSC Klimovsk Stamping Plant. The box is marked 7.62x39mm HP L.C.B. 123 Gr. Ball Made in Russia. It has green lacquered steel case.
RGH
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This is a Chinese 7.62x39mm. It comes in a yellow box that is marked 7.62X39mm Soft Point Made in China, with no other identifying information on the box. It has a 122 grain JSP projectile and a green lacquered steel case.
RGH
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This is TCW Ammunition 7.62x39mm. It comes in a white box marked TCW Ammunition 7.62x39mm HP Made in Russia L.C.B. 122 Gr. Steel Case. It has a green lacquered steel case.
RGH
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This is Sapsan 7.62x39mm and is manufactured by JSC Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant. It comes in a multicolored (mostly green) box marked Sapsan Hunting Cartridges 7.62x39 124 HP Made in Russia "Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant." It has a green lacquered steel case.
RGH
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This is Monarch 7.62x39mm manufactured by JSC Barnaul Machine-Tool Plant. It is sold at Academy stores. It comes in a multicolored (mostly blue) box marked Monarch 7.62x39 FMJ Hunting Rifle Ammunition JSC Barnaul Machine-Tool Plant Made in Russia for Sell, Inc. PT #7.62x39MM. It has a green lacquered steel case and a 123 grain projectile.
RGH
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This Federal American Eagle .40 S&W. The box is marked Federal, American Eagle, Toxic-Metal Free Primer, 180 grain, 40 S&W, Total Metal Jacket, product code AE40N1. It has a brass case, nickel primer, and copper jacketed FMJ-FP projectile.
RGH
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This is PMC Bronze 9mm Luger. The box is marked PMC Bronze, 9mm Luger, 115 Grs., FMJ, product code 9A. There is a brass case and a nickel primer.
RGH
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CJ 9mm Luger. This was in a box of B-K Bullet Company 9mm Luger reloads.
RGH
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I know the contest has closed; however, I still had some headstamps to post. These are all from a box of B-K Bullet Company 9mm Luger reloads turned in by one of the local PDs. The box indicates B-K Bullet Company is in San Antonio, Texas.
RGH
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These are from a box of Precision Cartridge (Hobart, Indiana) .38 Special reloads.
RGH
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Richard,
Thanks for posting those. It is obvious from the headstamps that these cartridges are made with reloaded or purchased brass.
Everyone should be very careful when making statements about the manufacturer of fired cartridge cases or bullets being related back to those manufacturers.
Just because it says FC on the headstamp it doesn't mean the present load was assembled at a Federal Ammunition facility!
Scott
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These are from a box of Master-Match brand .38 Special reloads. I realize that these headstamps are among some of the most commonly encountered and are readily recognized. However, they are not currently in the Headstamp Gallery. I am posting them for the sake of being thorough.
RGH
By the way, who won the contest?
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This is Norma, 10mm Auto, JHP, 170 grain, product code 11002. It has a brass case and nickel primer. The jacket is brass and the projectile has an enclosed, concave base. I'm posting 2 photos, because one is with the headstamp oriented correctly and the other is with the primer stamp oriented correctly.
RGH
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This is CCI, Blazer, 10mm Auto, 200 grain, FMJ-FP, product code 3597. It has an aluminum case and nickel primer. The projectile jacket is copper with an enclosed, concave base.
RGH
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This is 3-D brand, Impact, 10mm Auto, 180 grain, JHP. The projectile is copper jacketed with a flat, enclosed base. There is a brass case and nickel primer. Product code unknown.
RGH
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This is PMC, .380 Auto, 95 grain, FMJ, product code 380A. The case and primer are brass. The jacket is copper with a flat, exposed base.
RGH
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This is Speer, Gold Dot, .380 Auto, 90 grain, JHP, product code 23606. The jacket is copper with an enclosed, concave base.
RGH
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This is different from the other WRA submitted, because it has periods after the letters. This is Winchester Repeating Arms, .38 Special, 200 grain, LRN, product code W38S3P.
RGH
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This is different from the other REM UMC, because there is no dash between the REM and the UMC. This is Remington, Hi-Way Master, .38 Special, 110 grain, LRN, product code 6838.
RGH
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This is different from the other Peters posted, because of the dashes at 3 and 9 o'clock. This is Peters, Highway Patrol, .38 Special, 110 grain, LRN, product code 3810.
RGH
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This is different from the other CCI, because it doesn't have the N and R at 3 and 9 o'clock. This is CCI, Lawman, 158 grain, lead, SWC, product code 3752.
RGH
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This is Browning, .38 Special, 158 grain, LRN, product code 3822P.
RGH
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This is Cor-Bon, .38 Special +P, 110 grain, JHP, product code CB03/20.
RGH
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This is different than the other S&W posted, because of the marks at 3 and 9 o'clock. This is S&W, .38 Special, 158 grain, LRN, product code S38S2.
RGH
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This is also different from the other S&W posted, because of the marks at 3 and 9 o'clock. This is S&W, .38 Special +P, 158 grain, SWC-HP, product code S38-158SWCHP.
RGH
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These are variations of the SB headstamp. All are .38 Special.
RGH
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This is another SB. The SB that is already in the gallery has marks at 3 and 9 o'clock, and this one does not.
RGH
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This has HF on the primer.
RGH
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ACP headstamp on .38 Special.
RGH
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BP headstamp on .38 Special.
RGH
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The CBC in the gallery does not have dashes at 3 and 9 o'clock, and this one does.
RGH
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The Geco in the gallery is not in all capital letters, and this one is in all caps.
RGH
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GEVELOT on .38 Special.
RGH
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The HP in the gallery has marks at 3 and 9 o'clock, and this one does not have those marks.
RGH
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LAPUA on .38 Special.
RGH
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MRP on .38 Special.
RGH
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RWS on .38 Special.
RGH
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AMTECH on .38 Special.
RGH
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P.O-1-83 on .38 Special.
RGH
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P.O-2-87 on .38 Special.
RGH
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MESKO on .38 Special.
RGH
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These are 7.62x39mm with Arabic markings.
RGH
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These are 7.62x39mm with various numerical markings.
RGH
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These are also 7.62x39mm with various numerical markings.
RGH
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This is FNM 7.62x39mm.
RGH
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This is 7.62x39mm with an inverted triangle.
RGH
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This is Midway 7.62x39mm.
RGH
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This is NK 7.62x39mm.
RGH
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This is NWM 7.62x39mm; however, the headstamp looks like 7.62x38.
RGH
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This is VPT 7.62x39mm.
RGH
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This is Wolf 7.62x39mm.
RGH
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I may have inadvertantly submitted one or two headstamps that were already in the gallery. If so, I offer my sincerest apology.
RGH
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These are several 9mm Luger headstamps.
RGH
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These are several more 9mm Luger headstamps.
RGH
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These are more 9mm Luger headstamps.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Amron, .38 Special, 148 grain, wadcutter. I'm sending it in because there is no brand designation.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Speer DWM, .38 Special, 148 grain, hollow base, wadcutter, product code 3748.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Ace, .38 Special, 158 grain, LRN, Hecho en Mexico, 5038-SPL ACEL 200.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Hydra-Shok, .38 Special, 146 grain, lead, UDL, Hydra-Shok Corporation.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Fiocchi, 9mm Flobert, DFA Pallini, 39.01.001, C.I.P. 001, 0664, 7 1/2.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is PMC, .357 Magnum, 150 grain, JHP, product code 357C.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Cor-Bon, .357 Sig, 115 grain, JHP, product code M8185.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Winchester, Super Speed, .357 Magnum, 158 Grain, Lead, product code K3570T.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Super Vel, .357 Magnum, 110 grain, JSP.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Hornady Custom, 9x18 Makarov, 95 grain, JHP-XTP, 9100C.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Made in China, .30 Carbine, 7.62mm.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Lake City Army Ammunition Plant, 5.56mm Ball, M-193.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Federal, 5.56mm, XM193, M193 Ball, 55 grain, MC, Boat-tail.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Samson, 223 Rem, 55 grain, FMJ-BT, IMI, 223-11A-M.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is FNM, 7.62x51mm, Ball, FNM-82-39.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Imperial, C-I-L, Sabre Tip, 30-30 Win, 150 grain.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Wolf, 223 Rem, 62 grain, Copper FMJ, Steel Case.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Dynamit Nobel, RWS, .215, 59 grain, Ball.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Weatherby, Ultra-Velocity, 7mm Weatherby Mag, 139 Grain, PT-EX, THA1722/17031.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Winchester, Super Speed, 243 Win, 6mm, 80 grain, Pointed soft point, W2431.
RGH
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This is a 7.62 Tokarev cartridge. The only information I was given when I added it to my reference collection is Metaka, TT-7.62mm. I have no idea what that means, but I'll submit it so someone else can identify it.
RGH
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The headstamp on this is different than the Barnual already in the gallery. The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is SA01, 7.62x39mm, Made in Russia, 125 grain, JSC Barnual Machine-Tool Building Plant, 4600539 000012.
RGH
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I have no information about this cartridge other than it is 7.62x39mm with a 123 grain FMJ projectile and a green lacquered steel case with red sealant on the primer.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Lapua, 7.62x39mm, 123 grains, FMJ.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is South Africa, 7.62x39mm, 123 grain, FMJ.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is 7.62x39mm, 8 HP L.C.B., Made in Russia, 123 grain, JHP.
RGH
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This is different from the other Wolf submitted. The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Wolf, 7.62x39mm, 122 grain, FMJ.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Norinco, China Sport, 7.62x39, 122 grain, FMJ.
RGH
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The information I got off the box this was in when I added it to my reference ammunition collection is Norinco, 7.62x39mm, Steel Case, 125 grain, FMJ.
RGH
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This was in a box of mixed up ammunition turned in by a local PD. This photo is easier on the eyes than the "71" already in the gallery.
RGH
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This was in a box of mixed up ammunition turned in by a local PD. The headstamp is SB MC 223.
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I thought I had seen a TCW headstamp in the gallery. I looked in the "T" album and the "New" album, but I didn't see it in either. So here it is. This was in a box of mixed up ammunition turned in by a local PD.
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It's hard to believe that these were not already in the Gallery. I will not insult anyone's intelligence by stating what they are, as if someone might not know.
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Israel 8x57
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.338 Lapua Mag
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7.62x53R Suomen AmpumatarveTehdas
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7.62x53R SAKO (military)
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LAPUA-87 7.62 Spp (military)
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5.56 STEYR SCF
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9x57 VMT Valtion MetalliTehdas
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VALMET 9x57
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I found this in a box of mixed of ammunition turned in by a local PD. It is 30-06 Springfield caliber. The projectile weighs ~165 grains, is copper colored, has a black colored tip, and is attracted to a magnet.
Richard
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Here are some more shotshell headstamps.
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And some more shotshell headstamps.