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Offline GJalabert

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Bullet manufacturer
« on: June 14, 2023, 02:46:27 AM »
Dear Colleagues,

I'm back with this new question.The photos attached show you a fired bullet (diameter : .354 / 9 mm ; weight : 153 grains / 9,92 g)
The jacket is covered with a sort of black paint. You can see the copper under the chipped parts.
Does anyone know what manufacturer produces this kind of bullet ?
Thank you in advance,Grégory

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Re: Bullet manufacturer
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2023, 08:49:40 AM »
Hello Gregory,


I feel like I have seen this before.  It's taking a moment to recall.  Two questions for you:


1-- Is this bullet a hollow point?


2--Where was it recovered?


Jill
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Offline Charles Clow

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Re: Bullet manufacturer
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2023, 09:05:59 AM »
Looks like a bullet that was recovered from a body from an old wound track. I have seen bullets with that kind of coloration/patina/oxidation from that kind of scenario.

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Re: Bullet manufacturer
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2023, 09:31:07 AM »
Looks like a bullet that was recovered from a body from an old wound track. I have seen bullets with that kind of coloration/patina/oxidation from that kind of scenario.


My thoughts as well.  A souvenir from a previous ballistic encounter.
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Offline Laura Draga

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Re: Bullet manufacturer
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2023, 11:03:12 AM »
Also agree that it looks oxidized. The key here is that the striae are in the black oxidation layer. If you clean that off, your marks will be gone.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2023, 11:04:01 AM by Laura Draga »

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Re: Bullet manufacturer
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2023, 11:31:55 AM »
"Previous ballistic encounter"
That's the best thing I have heard all week! :laugh:

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Re: Bullet manufacturer
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2023, 12:46:45 PM »
Gregory, 


I have a few that look similar in my bullet reference.  These are from Barnes, WIN (Black Talon) and Colt (9mm and 45).  If I find any more I'll post them.

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Re: Bullet manufacturer
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2023, 05:15:18 PM »
Hello,
bullet length, base to cannelure (crimp mark), top and base view and if it is magnetic would be great to know.
Is it a solid brass or jacketed bullet?


Somehow it reminds me of the Fiocchi Black Mamba

Greetings
Axel

Offline GJalabert

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Re: Bullet manufacturer
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2023, 08:28:06 AM »
Hello Gregory,


I feel like I have seen this before.  It's taking a moment to recall.  Two questions for you:


1-- Is this bullet a hollow point?


2--Where was it recovered?


Jill
Hello Jill,

1- I don't know if it was hollow point but it seems Soft point.
2- It was recovered in a body. So, as Laura and Charles said, it could be  oxidized. The striae seems covered by this 'matter'.
For your information, I would like to specify that I'm not in charge of this case. It was one of my colleague. But I'm curious

PS : otherwise 'Terriault' sounds french, isn't it ?  ;)

Offline GJalabert

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Re: Bullet manufacturer
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2023, 08:37:45 AM »
Hello,
bullet length, base to cannelure (crimp mark), top and base view and if it is magnetic would be great to know.
Is it a solid brass or jacketed bullet?
Somehow it reminds me of the Fiocchi Black Mamba
Greetings
Axel
Hello Axel,
The bullet length is 16,13 mm (.635") and base to cannelure is 8,71 mm (.343").
We can see a lead core and a jacket over, non-magnetic.

Thank you all for your participation !
« Last Edit: June 16, 2023, 08:39:53 AM by GJalabert »

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Re: Bullet manufacturer
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2023, 02:40:46 PM »
Gregory,

The oxidation on the bullet you posted appears much thicker then black oxide bullets.  Black oxide is a film level thickness, not particularly one that will chip off as yours appears to have. 

I would suggest reaching out to the colleague and have them inquire as to where it was recovered.  Was it recovered from a fresh wound track or healed wound.  It appears the latter as stated previously.
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Re: Bullet manufacturer
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2023, 03:54:03 PM »
Gregory,
the base almost looks like a cast bullet.
Could it be possible that it is one of these powder coated lead bullets?

Greetings
Axel

Offline Mallory Brewer

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Re: Bullet manufacturer
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2023, 08:45:48 AM »
This looks like a black oxide bullet to me, with a base similar to the Jesse James Ultimate Defense brand by Ammo Inc., that I used for my research project. The soft point is throwing me off though. The "cracking" of the black oxide could possibly be due to its exposure to a body environment?

Other black oxide brands:
Winchester SXZ
Crossfire Ammunition Black Max, Combat Defense, Home Defense, Tactical Grenade
Barnes Tac-XPD Defense
Aeris Ammunition
GBW Cartridge Legend Pro (old)
Colt Defender (old)

Mallory Brewer

 

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