I found this old thread and decided to start a new thread with a link to it (part 1)
http://www.afte.org/forum/smf1/index.php?topic=8733.0 I shot a lot of 9 mm Luger Freedom Munitions branded ammunition last week and it is all stamped AMMOLOAD and it has the inside "cup". Freedom Munitions is in Houston.
Although they do weigh just over 4 grains more than the WIN cases, they only weigh 1.5 grains more than the Federal I also shot. The case length of the Ammo Load was 0.749" and the Federal was 0.751", but the WIN was 0.742", all of which explains why my subcompact Beretta Nano would not extract the Federal or the Ammo Load.
Probably trivial information to most people, but not to my caring friends here!