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Offline Stojan Kostic

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Unknown shotgun
« on: September 19, 2011, 07:02:39 AM »
Dear Colleagues,

I recently got a hunting rifle for review, without any manufacturer and model label. The gun was probably of Italian origin, based on the gunproof marks. I would be very grateful if you recognize the brand and model of weapons on, unfortunately, not-so-good photos that I have provided in the appendix.

Thank you in advance,

Stojan

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Re: Unknown shotgun
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2011, 08:21:32 AM »
Hi Stojan,
Did you try to take it apart?
Sometimes there are imprints on the inner side of the barrel & wooden parts.
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Re: Unknown shotgun
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2011, 11:43:05 AM »
Stojan,

if it is Italian it may have a CAT number.
Please check and post or PM

Axel

Offline Stojan Kostic

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Re: Unknown shotgun
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2011, 05:39:11 AM »
Hi Axel, Lior

Once again, thank you for your help. Besides gunproof marks, ther is no inscription inside the gun. I couldn't find CAT numbers but I take a photo of all gunproof marks, so, I hope, it will be helpfull for you, if you are still interested for this topic.

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Stojan

Offline Dalibor

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Re: Unknown shotgun
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2011, 08:01:45 AM »
Gardone proof house (third picture, proof mark right from PSF)
XX9 on second picture -> manufactured in 1973.
But that didn't help much.

Offline Stacey Phetteplace

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Re: Unknown shotgun
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2011, 10:00:07 AM »
Can you tell me what gauge it is please? I will look through our reference collection. It looks oddly familar to me.
Thanks

Offline Stojan Kostic

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Re: Unknown shotgun
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2011, 09:06:27 AM »
Hello Stacey/Dalibor,

Rifle gauge is 16. Is it possible that two letters RL is firearm manufacture's initials i.e. Rota Luciano

Best regards, Stojan

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Re: Unknown shotgun
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2011, 09:22:13 AM »
Looks like Italian proofmarks to me...
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Re: Unknown shotgun
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2011, 02:48:56 PM »
They are indeed Italian proofmarks and, as others have mentioned, they are from Gardone & Brescia.  The marks also indicate it is a 70mm (2 3/4") chamber, 16.9mm bore (16 ga), manufactured in 1973, and PSF stands for "Polvere Sensa Fumo" (Smokeless powder).  While KG1,620 is either a 1.62kg barrel or a barrel that is proof tested at 1.62 kg/sq. cm (but this would be 23,000 psi which is too high for a 16ga).

The "RL" could be the factory: Rota Luciano but I'm not sure.  I hope all this rambling helps in some way...

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Re: Unknown shotgun
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2011, 04:01:38 AM »
Is it possible that two letters RL is firearm manufacture's initials i.e. Rota Luciano


Hi Stojan
It is hard to say, but RL mark also appears on other firearms from that region.
http://shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=265313
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=231118
Possible inspector initials?

 

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